Ricky McEachern (00:00:25): Joseph [inaudible] was a professional astrologer who consults teaches and lectures in Manhattan. He is also a friend who I met in Provincetown, Massachusetts in 2010. We speak about a lot of topics in the hour coming out, Joan Crawford, rock Hudson. And of course astrology my conversation with astrologer. Joseph, do you and I met 10 years ago in Provincetown, Massachusetts dated summer. That was a magical summer. Yeah. And I remember you and I were kind of traveled in the same social circles. And I remember we spent the day just you and I at the P town in pool hanging out. And I'll never forget that. So I'm sure that you had shared all of this information cause I'm always asking people. I'm sure I share my Gemini moon. Must've shared it with you at least twice my repeat things off. And so yeah, I forget things just as often.
Ricky McEachern (00:01:23): So, so province town is, you know, it's for people that are listening, that aren't familiar with it, you know, Provincetown is in Massachusetts, it's at the tippy tip. You know, Massachusetts has like that hook and it gets smaller and smaller and smaller. And as you drive down that hook, it becomes less and less populated until it's just sand dunes. And then suddenly when you get to the very tip, boom, Provincetown so what do you, how would you describe, Oh, it's a magical fantasy place at the end of the world where assets and creative people go people who feel like they're on the fringe of society. People have high creativity who aren't accepted, who go to the explore who go to there to be welcomed, will go there to be accepted. It's a magical place. The lighting is kind of bizarre. You can escape into a fantasy world.
Joseph Addeo (00:02:17): You can take escape into a fantasy world of high creativity and community, or you can escape into a fantasy world that spirals you into the Jepson depression, province town is highly sensitized, whatever mood you're in high flat province town will heighten. So you have this magical kind of energy, but if you were in a depressed mood and it will make you also spiral down, it's a quite a unique place and a community, community, community, community, a safe Haven. I was a little different now, but that's how my impression of Provincetown from when I first went and from the history books and from reading it Eugene O'Neill and Tennessee and all these great riders used to go there. It was a Haven for creative people. LGBTQ elemental P is the community right now, but back in the day, you know, Hey community, but now it's everything.
Ricky McEachern (00:03:14): It's a little different now, but it's still a place of acceptance. Yeah. You know, my experience in P town I, you know, I was a visitor for the years. I would go for a week on vacation where it was party, party, party, and then starting in the summer of 2009, I got a place there. So I was not only was I there on weekends, but a week before my first place started we, our work situation changed. So I was now working from home. So I basically moved down there and I will tell you that being there changed my brain, like it rewired me. And I don't think that I would have pursued this creative life as an artist that I'm doing now, if that had not happened, because when I was living in Boston and working like a corporate job, your mind is just wired in a way that's all, it's just different.
Ricky McEachern (00:04:12): And when you go there, I was meeting people that were much looser, much freer I'm much more open to new ideas. The other thing that was extremely interesting is no one talked about their jobs. No, no. What they did for a living, I hung out with our, with Greg and Jeff and I hung out with them every day at the summer for an entire summer. And then at the end of the summer, they invited me to a party in Boston. And I found out that they were a doctor and a nurse. And I'm like, I cannot believe that we spent that much time together. And it never even came up what we do for a living and in the normal world. That's the first thing you ask when you meet someone, you hit, you hit the nail on the head. That's a wonderful definition of Provincetown.
Joseph Addeo (00:04:58): I, I, what I loved about it cause to 10 years ago was my, not my first time. There was a time that changed my life. And you didn't, nobody asked you what you did when you were accepted for who you are. And that's what I loved. You had friends. And when you find out what your friends do eventually, because eventually you do, you hang out with them for months and months and then years. And you know, everybody you use there's all the result. Everybody was from a different socioeconomic background, but nobody and I love the fact that people just liked me for me because of being an astrologer. A lot of people were like, what? Like that's a little crazy and people don't like that, but they loved me. So I felt loved and accepted and it didn't matter to me what they thought about my job. Okay. Yeah. Let's talk about your job a little bit. I know you're an astrologer, which I think is, well, I think it's extremely interesting that you are pursuing something that is at least in my view, very much out of the ordinary.
Ricky McEachern (00:05:58): I mean, you're the only astrologer I know.
Ricky McEachern (00:06:00): Can you tell me about Ricky McEachern (00:06:02): That started, like how
Ricky McEachern (00:06:04): You got a, I'm going to use the word turned on to astrology. You know, that's obviously not the word. So you tell me the word, how did it happen? How did your brain get activated around this?
Joseph Addeo (00:06:15): I was always in the arts. I went to school, I was wanting to be an actor and I went to, I studied acting since I was a kid and I movies and fantasy and the imagination. I was very right. Brain oriented. And so I was an actor in the eighties and then I became an opera singer. I segwayed into opera and I was an opera singer for 20 years. And, but all during that time, and throughout the 1990s, I was always very interested in going to channelers and interested in spiritual stuff and going to expos and seeing what people had to say. And I, I got a little lured into that Buddhist community for awhile. Although I found them a little, I didn't stay with them too long, but I always thought there was something astrology wasn't on the, for the first 40 years of my larger astrology. Wasn't really a big thing, but I, I was always exploring spiritual things through meditation, through yoga, through you know, as I said, some of the Buddhist things, I, of course, of miracles, I did the course of miracles. I was kind of always dabbling and experimenting.
Ricky McEachern (00:07:33): Why were you, why did you start doing that? And like, what it like approximately what age
Joseph Addeo (00:07:39): Did you start exploring it? Like in my twenties, in my twenties, after I graduated school, after I went to a very artsy school, I went to a very progressive school. I came from a very conservative Republican family of alpha males. And I just wasn't like that.
Ricky McEachern (00:07:57): Where did you grow up in a religious household? Joseph Addeo (00:07:59): No, my mother hated religion, Italian Catholic family. In terms of ethnicity, in terms of the way the mind was formed. And I'm sure the Italian Catholic mindset in terms of religion was there, but not in a formal way. My mother load the church. She thought the church was too faced. She hated the women in the church. And my father took us to church. When we were kids. We have four, four boys, but then after about eight years old, he didn't care about the church either. So we didn't no not religious at all.
Ricky McEachern (00:08:33): So religion and spirituality was not part of your life at all?
Joseph Addeo (00:08:38): Yeah, no, no. My parents were hardworking from immigrant family. My grandparents were Italian immigrants and my parents were this next generation and everything was about work. Get ahead, get an education, work hard, make money. It was, I came from that kind of mentality, but they never to their credit. My parents never dissuaded me from going into the arts. They kicked Vicky just kept saying, Oh, you should, you should have something to fall back on. You know, you're not gonna make any money in that you're not going to, but they never for all their false and other ways, they were very supportive of what I wanted to do. And they gave me a wonderful education and they let me pick the college. I wanted to win. But when I was went to acting and did all this, they just let me do whatever I wanted to do. They didn't stop me. So I'm trying to figure out
Ricky McEachern (00:09:30): Where like this interest in need, not that it's abnormal or you know, most people have this interest in spirituality or, you know, at some point is there anything in particular that sort of initiated that exploration or was it just part of growing up
Joseph Addeo (00:09:46): In the nineties? I think I missed the first part of your question, but I, I think I don't, what are you asking? I did this rebirth in class. I, I, I was trying all these things and there was a woman teaching rebirth in class, and I can't even remember what rebirthing was something about taking you back into your mother's boom and feeling like you're there and, and whatever emotions came out, it was so far from a psychotherapy. And at that point I was starting to read astrology books and I asked this woman, I liked her very much. And I said, do you know a good astrology teacher? I think that's what my next thing I want. And she said, yes, you must study with John Marcus Selah. And I said, okay, he's the best. So I, and I was an eternal student.
Joseph Addeo (00:10:35): I love studying to this day. I could study study, study. I could be in college till the day I die. As long as I didn't work a day in my life, I'd much rather study. So I said, Oh, good. A class. So I called him up and he told me about classes. He was the president of the New York chapter of the NCG, or which is the national council for geo cosmic research, which is a very prominent astrobiological organization. And he told me about classes were starting. And I remember I had a very eclectic schedule because I was an opera singer and I was an actor and all the classes were at night. And I said, aren't there any day classes? And he said, no, most people teach at night. So I started studying with him and this was in the late nineties. And he was a great teacher and the more I studied with him, the more I loved it, I just thought it was fascinating.
Joseph Addeo (00:11:21): I'm astrology became this whole thing of like psychology. He was a very psychological astrologer and it was all about, it was like the original psychology for thousands of years. And it wasn't this woo hoo. It had a science to it. It had a logic to it. It had a math, it had a lot of math to it. And there was a very, there was like the con was like a melding of the left brain and the right brain, because you do have to do a lot of homework and preparation and math. And, and then there's a right brain element was probably do that's the interpretation, the spiritual side, you know, why do the planets mean this? It sounds so silly, but they do. And when they, and then when they move in certain mathematical configurations, and he, he opened up this whole world to be as great teachers, too.
Joseph Addeo (00:12:06): You know, he made me interested in and he made it exciting. He made it entertainment and he, and he made it simple as well as complicated because you wouldn't, the minute you started studying astrology, you realize, Oh my God, it's not just this little column in a newspaper. Right. Years and years of studying and synthesizing all of this information to be able to weave patterns together and to look at the past and the present in order to see what the future might bring, because it's very actually logical as for helping you, once, you know, the language, it's like learning a foreign language. So he opened up this whole world to me and I, I'm a, I'm a voracious student. I'm a very good student. So I was, I took class after class. I spoke and he really liked me. And he said, you could be great astrologer if you want to.
Joseph Addeo (00:12:52): And that's all I needed to hear. That's all I needed to hear. I remember when I became an actor, when I became an opera singer, I needed a great teacher. All I needed was a teacher to tell me I was talented and I can do it night jump. And he was that. And I think that's what teachers are so important because as an actor, as an opera singer, as an astrologer, that I had a great teacher who just pushed me and they promoted me and they helped me. So then he started mentoring me and I took private lessons with him. And then I got my certification because there's, you can go through the certification process. Not that being a certified astrologer makes you a great astrologer, but it was important for me because I liked certification because I liked testing. And I like to having to study books and take tests and quizzes and get approved and get us.
Joseph Addeo (00:13:37): And so to me, it meant a lot that I got a certification to be an astrologer, even though it does not necessarily mean you're a great astrologer. Was it something where you knew I want to be the best I want to do this, or was it more like, let's see what happens next. Let's see what unfolds. And it sort of unfolded in a positive way or where, you know, I'm not that goal oriented. Let's see what happens. I just always, I never have a plan, never. Let's just see what happens. I segwayed from acting to singing, to astrology and in the interim with the astrology, as I was segwaying, I just said, let's see what happens. And I met the right people. I kinda, it was almost like the wheel of fortune and the terrible spinning the wheels, see what happen. And I just got pushed in the right directions. So in 20 years you have, obviously things are unfolding in a way that are making you want to continue. How would you describe your experience with astrology? That's making you feel that this is where you should be, that it is positive, that you want to, you know, that you have wanted to continue to take the next step in a way that maybe
Ricky McEachern (00:14:52): Other things didn't.
Joseph Addeo (00:14:54): I make money at it. I'm independent. I'm free. I don't have a boss. I can do whatever I want. I can make my own schedule. I don't have to listen to any one, anyone but myself, I can, I could work at three in the morning. I could work at nine in the morning. I can take two weeks off. My whole business is word of mouth. So from a practical level, I love the freedom. I love the freedom from a spiritual level, from a it's creative it's I help people. It's like being a therapist. I get great satisfaction out of people telling me that I've changed their lives. I get great satisfaction out of having psychological discussions with people about their potential and what they can achieve. I feel like an artist. I feel like a teacher. I feel like a performer. There's a part of it that brings in opera and the theater because I teach classes and I get to impart my knowledge and my passion for this to other people.
Joseph Addeo (00:15:50): And I see them coming alive. It's like an actor and a performance. When you watch those students and you watch those, they, they respond to what you're saying and the passion. And it's, I, I'm not counting numbers all day. I'm doing something that's very creative. I think anything you can do is creative. I think it could be a creative accountant. So I don't want to be a little, any other professions, but I never, I always wanted to stay in a field that made me where I got rewarded financially and spiritually from the feedback I got from people. And this was the first time it happened. All of a sudden, the two of them combined, the two of them combined. And I do like giving people some kind of meaning and explanation. You know, it was astrology is like a religion. It gives religion is just something that offers explanations to people of why we're living here on earth.
Joseph Addeo (00:16:43): That's what religions about people want meaning in life. And they want, they want an explanation of why we're here. And astrology is that I've had a friend who said to me that there was a question she said to me, and it was a brilliant, she said, astrology is the psychology of geometry. And that's exactly what it is. There's all these geometric patterns happening in the sky. And they, and they set things. They make things. They make you react in certain ways. And I just like pointing out things to people. So people don't, people come to me and they think they're, they know they're not crazy when I kind of support what they're going through.
Ricky McEachern (00:17:17): And that you said to me reminded me of some conversations that I've had with personal trainers. I've spoken with two personal trainers and they have experiences where they're the work that they're doing with their clients actually transforms their client's lives. And that's something that you had mentioned as an, as an aspect to what you do is that makes it so fulfilling in a spiritual way, is that the work that you're doing with your clients sometimes can transform their lives. So I just want to know a little bit about, can you just talk to me about that? Cause
Joseph Addeo (00:17:50): That's, that sounds really interesting and awesome. Well, it's very personal because you're going to have this deep, intimate conversation with somebody it's like being in a therapist office. And when you're able to, when they come to you with a whole, most people come to see an astrologer when they're not usually feeling that good, they really come when things are great and they want to know, how long is this going to last? And why is this happening now? And when you can give, when you can give them very practical kinds of advice of, of certain types of behavioral patterns that are set up in their chart or set up in their life at birth and why they react certain ways in certain instances and why things are being triggered now. And when you can give them an idea of how long something's going to last, whether it's a difficult situation, whether it's a pleasurable situation, whether this is not a good time, this year is not a good year to open a business or next year's a better year for the potential to, for love when you can.
Joseph Addeo (00:19:00): And when you kind of reinforce what they're going through and that there's a meaning to it, and there's a pattern to it. It makes this huge sigh of relief on the side of the client. Like they're not crazy. Like there's a time, there's a season for everything. There's a reason why it's unfolding. Now. This is the time of my life, where I have to learn this lesson. This is the time of my life, where I have to learn that lesson. This is a time of my life, where for the next two years, I might experience great joy that's unfettered. And when you can put things in that kind of perspective for people, because everybody goes through these things, some people, you know, have more more difficult challenges than other when you put it in perspective for people, they really love that. There's some kind of meaning to the universe that there's some kind of meaning to their life and that that's and you can help them get through it by suggesting ways that their personality types would deal with the situation like this.
Joseph Addeo (00:20:02): Or how did you deal with this situation seven years ago? Because a lot of astrology is about, you know, seven years ago, a similar type of energy was around. How did you deal with it then? Because now you're seven years older, you're going to have the same lesson to learn, but you are going to evolve with it in different way. And there's different circumstances that will there are different energies here that might help you deal with it. Now it gives me great satisfaction to just guide them through that. And it's, it's like this, I'm sure if you've talked with a psychotherapist or any kind of therapist, they feel the same way. It's it's, it's, it's great. When the client, you see them, you see them grow, you see them understand this, you see them understand,
Joseph Addeo (00:20:48): You see them accept themselves and you see them. They're not, they don't, they don't become so tuned into these faded things that are going to happen. Like, Oh, just because this person left me, I'm going to die. Or just because I lost this job is no there's much more deeper kinds of reasons for things to happen. Like literally the worst thing that could happen when doing a podcast is a fucking jackhammer outside the window. You've got to be kidding me. It's an Aquarius full moon. Expect the unexpected. It's the high hurricane. Rick, Rick it's it's I, I don't mind if we read, we do this another time. That's fine. Don't it's not going to be, I just, I like how things are going, but I guess it's not meant to be then. I mean, literally my house was shaking. You look right, Rick.
Joseph Addeo (00:21:43): You're having aged a bit and I love all your cooking. Oh, I'm starting a new I'm starting a cooking is so exciting. Well, I'm starting a new cooking blog, a whole new platform. I remember correctly. You have a cancer moon. Don't you, you have the Mooney cancer. I remember cause I did a little reading for you. I remember many years ago. I think you have the cancer moon and the moon in cancers assigned that has a lot to do with cooking home and bonding and nurturing and be in hunkering down and being in the womb like, and the moon is how you would relate. The moon has a lot to do with sensitivities and feelings and needs, and that cancer moon would be like a big mommy. I have these mommy tendencies of wanting to cook and nurture and to make people feel comfortable and make people feel welcome.
Joseph Addeo (00:22:34): And I would, I, I'm almost positive. You have a cancer. Boom. Okay. well then that makes sense. Yeah. So I'm actually starting a whole new cause I get a lot of feedback on my cooking stuff. I got a lot of feedback, so I'm actually starting a new cooking channel. So that's fantastic. So it's actually a whole program. So it's called Buckman street kitchen, and it's all about helping people cook at home and not eat out and cook from scratch. And the foundation of the whole thing is I tell you what you need to keep in your house at all times. And if you have these things, I'm telling you because you have a cancer moon, this is going to be great. All right. Well great at this. Oh, well thank you. So I just did the first I did recordings cause it's going to be on YouTube and everything.
Ricky McEachern (00:23:24): I did some recordings yesterday for the first time. So I'm starting to create content. So look for your sign. I forgot. Are you an Aquarius? I'm going to query in February 10th, 1968. You're an Aquarian with a cancer moon. Oh, interesting. Nice. Okay. You'll help people see the bigger picture as an Aquarius to cook in their own home and take care of themselves personally. That's a lovely combination. All right. So I, I'm going to have you back. I think I may doing a podcast for my cooking show called Buckman street kitchen. So I'll have you back on that and we can specifically talk about how that relates to my cooking. My God. You should see on my, I come from a Baker's fair Baker's family bread Baker family. Dale Baker is up in the Bronx. Look them up. They're a big bakery. Oh really? Okay. Yeah.
Joseph Addeo (00:24:12): No, my family, I buy, my brother took over the family business, Italian bread bakery. That's the family business. Everybody thought I would go into it. I didn't want to go into the family business. Right. Let's I want to talk about John Crawford though. Cause I know that you're a Joan Crawford fan. We obviously, when we spent that day at the P town in which, by the way, I'm working on a painting right now on the P town Inn, which is interesting that we're having this conversation. That's where like our friendship blossomed. I'm sure that you talked about your passion for Joan Crawford. I have never been a, a huge fan in that. I just have never seen any of her products other than I saw mommy dearest, which doesn't count. And I think I may have seen Mildred Pierce. So I have to tell you what I discovered.
Ricky McEachern (00:24:59): So I discovered Joan Crawford's and this is what turned me on to Joan Crawford. Joan Crawford wrote an op, she wrote two autobiographies. The second one was called I think it's called my life and my way of life. And she wrote it after her Pepsi husband died. And she was living in the downsized apartment in New York. She did an audio book that reads. So I found this and I thought it was incredible. And I was, I use it all the time when I need to fall asleep. I put on Joan Crawford talking about my life and it is so soothing. It puts me to sleep. She has a beautiful speaking voice. She's a great speaker. She has a great voice.
Ricky McEachern (00:25:46): I have to tell you,
Ricky McEachern (00:25:47): I totally am similar to her. The way her brain works. She's like a project manager. She does not necessarily have a creative brain. Everything about her. Now, obviously an autobiography isn't necessarily about truth, but it certainly speaks to what she thinks is important. You know? And it's not the normal stuff. It's all about planning and thinking. It's all about planning and all about planning, your house, planning, your meals, planning your career, planning your relationships. It was fascinating. It's interesting that you say that she doesn't have, I don't know if you, did you say creative mind? It's interesting because she's very left brain. She's very, you would think because she was as actress at everything, he would have this kind of a, a little more of a devil may care attitude about things, but no, she should have fucking run. She should have been the CEO of a corporation. He should have run. I remember people reading about people who met her and people in people
Joseph Addeo (00:26:44): From Broadway would come to Hollywood and they would like to be, feel like they were slumming. And they said, but Joan Crawford, when I met her, she should have been running the studio. There was something robotic about her. There was something I hate to use robotics sounds terrible. I actually love her. But organized anal retentive 24 hour seven planning, you know, OCD, you know, which, you know, fits in with a lot of the image of her, especially the mommy dearest image controlling, but yes, very, very left brain structured analytical to the, to an kind of almost a scary degree, which propelled her ambition to
Ricky McEachern (00:27:23): Absolutely. And so since I started listening to that, so then I started learning more about her and I listened and I, I
Ricky McEachern (00:27:31): Listened to an audio book of her first autobiography, which was written like mid career. It was, it was sort of, geography was written in Brown, the ton of whatever happened to baby Jane in 1961, that's called the lonely life. And that was written around the Betty Davis. No, no, yes, you're right. It's called you're right. You're right. I'm confusing. The two a portrait of Joan it's called a portrait of Joan, Betty D Eddie Davis and Joan Crawford wrote an autobiography around the same time about baby Jane Betty's was called the lonely library. Right. And Jones was called a portrait of Joan. And that, that was like the early sixties. And then my way of life was written 1970 around that time. But
Ricky McEachern (00:28:13): So the thing that was interesting. So then I started reading, I read that other autobiography. Then I started reading interviews about her and seeing interviews. And then I started watching her movies and she, and just learning more about her and then really understanding
Joseph Addeo (00:28:29): How she came from. Absolutely nothing, nothing she it's. And that is how she became what she was. I mean, the epitome of the American dream, this hit of me, of the marriage. She she's one of the most fascinating creatures of the 20th century came from nothing, poverty and I, and the, and the American dream was you can go after whatever you want and achieve it. And that's what she did from humble, humble beginnings, and providing her way to the top and being a woman prime example of somebody who, you know, they say, the more entitled you are, if you come from money and family, sometimes you don't push yourself to do things. She came from nothing. So it kind of made this tight. It made her want to achieve more. And sometimes when you're knocked down in life, you get back up and you have a greater desire, which achieve. And that's exactly what she's, she's been living example of the American dream.
Ricky McEachern (00:29:18): Another and another aspect to her is that she is she's my grandmother's age. Like I remember going to visit my grandmother. And she was like a little old lady who, you know, both my grandmother yeah.
Ricky McEachern (00:29:31): Who they had no power, they had no influence. They were at the whim of my grandfathers. And, you know, so I, that was my, of what women were like of her generation and she was their age. So that's crazy that she had a career and it's fascinating all the, you know, living, you know, the power of the independence of a woman, the power of dealing with you know, making her way in the world. I mean, there's a lot to admire there. It's, it's pretty amazing. Yeah. Yes. She's my grandmother's age. Yes, exactly. And what they, what those women had to go through in that world at that time, it's pretty amazing what they achieved. It's pretty amazing. And it really is. Do you have any opinion on her daughter, Christina, and her in terms of whether or not, whether it's true or not?
Joseph Addeo (00:30:31): I don't know. What is your opinion on all of that? You know, Joan, Crawford's a very flawed woman. I mean, complex, complicated woman, which is what makes us I am Chris, you know, I'm sure there's a lot of truth to what Christina says. I'm sure she was not the greatest mother. I'm sure she did abuse them. You know, there are four children in that family and two of the children have great stories. And two of the children, not bad stories, that's not unusual. That's not unusual. That the abuse happened. I don't doubt my views about Christina though. Other than that, you know, child abuse is horrible. I'm sure she had a horrible upbringing in many respects, but Christina never seems to have anything. She T she capitalizes a lot on that. And then, you know, once, once the whole thing with the wire hangers became camp, she would capitalize that.
Joseph Addeo (00:31:29): And she would, I, there's something about Christina that doesn't kind of ring true all the time. I don't know. I don't, you know, when you're also seeing, you know, unfortunately that movie and that book became just so like a junk proffered movie, it became so melodramatic. Christina just seems to have such a hatred. She very rarely says anything positive about the mother. And yet she always says she was looking to find love. There's no forgiveness there. It's interesting for somebody who is approaching 80, I think Christina's Christina's point in 1939. So, you know she's approaching 80 years old. There's no empathy for the mother and no understanding and no ref there's less, it doesn't seem to be this reflective part of Christina about the whole situation. Yeah. You know, but I don't, I don't hate, I, the, the thing about mom when, obviously I have two version, you know, when I was younger, I thought the mommy dearest thing was calling and it burned her reputation, but in a way, it made people pay attention to Joan and research her and see where she came from.
Joseph Addeo (00:32:49): You know, it's a very sad story. It's a story of, of a woman who repeats the patterns of her, her own mother, you know, you know, Joan Crawford just came from an abused household and then she perpetrated the abuse again on her own children. And that's rather sad. It's rather sad that, you know, this woman who achieved so much you know, Christina makes it sound like Joan Crawford wanted children just for publicity. That's not true. That's not true. You know? And, and she's telling the book through a child's lens too. So I think, you know, you're getting the child, a child is going to listen. I'm not, my mother is still alive. So I want to be very careful about what I say here. I remember when I watched the movie version of mommy dearest. Now my mother didn't physically abused me. I was never beaten, but there were, when I watched Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford and I watched certain scenes in that movie, I sat there saying, well, my mother was like that, right.
Ricky McEachern (00:33:58): My mother would go flying into fits of rage. I don't think that's uncommon back then. It's not uncommon. So there's a lot of things taken out of proportion. Like, you know, like I know, you know, my image of women, you know, I don't want to sound misogynistic here, but I come from a whole line of strong, independent, fierce women that had tempers doled out the punishment that wore the pants in the sense of, they took care of the house and they were, they were scary and they cursed and they fought and they hit, and they were like military men. And and, and I grew up, those are the kinds of women. I'm perhaps. I mean, if you psychoanalyze me, I've psychoanalyzed myself a lot. That's why I love the actresses, like Joan Crawford and Bette Davis and Barbara Stanwyck and those strong women on the screen.
Ricky McEachern (00:34:49): They're fun to watch. But when you have women like that in your real life, you know, everybody talks about abusive men, abusive men, and yeah, there are lots of abusive, but, you know, everyone's, I always have been taught. I've always been told no women were ruled the world. If women did this, women it'd be much kinder, much sweeter. That's not my view. That's not that those were not the kinds of women I was raised by. Yeah, that's my experience too. I mean, in my family, my mom or the pants in the family, my dad was not an alpha male and my mom was an alpha female. So so that sort of, and I think that's why I have an interest in similar types, character characters and seeing it on screen. And I can definitely relate to that because that was, that was the dynamic in my family.
Ricky McEachern (00:35:34): When I hear about like the overbearing abusive dad, I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about. I don't know what that is talking about. That is completely foreign to me. I mean, my dad had his own issues, but not that yeah, my dad, my mom was the one that was abusing my dad. And my dad just sat there and never said anything. And so it's, yeah, I can relate to that. So, so, but, and yet I had great empathy for my mother and her plight. And I think joke because I understood, I think I instinctively understood that women were put in a very tough position, especially women like my mother and Joan Crawford. They're, they're creative. They want to have a career. They want to be very yang. They want to be, they want to express their masculine side. But by that, I mean their yang side, they want to have go out in the world.
Joseph Addeo (00:36:22): They want to meet people. They want to have a home. They want to have a job. They want to, they wanted to have all those options in life that men have. And when a woman like that, who's so creative. And so powerless is forced to like raise a family. And, and, and then, you know, my father did tell my mother, no, you can't work. You know, my father had his own office there too. And then they, they get frustrated. So then it comes out in this rage because it has no way to express itself. And and so as a little boy, I remember, and I could explain this astrologically from my point of view, but I don't want to get into psychological. Epistemologically analyzing me right now. But as a little boy, I remember, I thought my mother was crazy, but I loved her very much.
Ricky McEachern (00:37:12): And I understood her, even though every time she and my father had a fight, I thought she was wrong because he would go to try to apologize. And she wouldn't. And yet I sided with her. I can't even explain this to the state as a little boy, I had this great empathy for her because I understood the frustration, even though her expression of her frustration was so over the top. And I don't know if I'm making any sense here. It's that, it's that weird thing where I loved her and I felt sorry for her and I, but I thought she was crazy at the same time. And I think that's a, an explanation of the way women are forced to be put in certain positions, but men are forced to be put in certain positions to not every man wants to be an alpha male and go out and make a living and support a family. And I certainly don't, I know men who don't want to be put in that position and they're forced to, and then they become monsters because of that. And I think this is a lot of, I think this relates to a lot, and this is another whole larger topic about which we probably don't want to get into about like traditional American roles in terms of everything, in
Ricky McEachern (00:38:36): Terms of men men's roles, female roles. And then we talk about the it kind of relates to me like not so much sexuality, but like now we're talking about gender identity, which is kind of, it's kind of the same thing. It's like women should, women, females should be, this males should be this. And like, that is what is considered excellent. So that is what is going to get you to be successful, et cetera, et cetera. But not everybody fits into that. And in the same way in you know, gender, like I'm, I'm, cis-gender like, I feel like I'm male, but I can see how, if you don't feel that way, like how does that work? Like right.
Joseph Addeo (00:39:16): Culture. I love that I can help people see what their strong points are on their options. How, where in your life are you more yang and where in your life, where you're more yang, where's the balance of energy and where should your priorities be? And where are your strengths? And where are you? Astrology is explaining where your strengths are, where your weak points are. How do you, how do you bounce the weak points? How, how, how does the struggle in the chart chart will integrate with somebody has a certain amount of talent and then where they're going to have struggle while you did struggle and talent in combination to make somebody successful, because without struggle, you don't achieve anything. And if you're all about talented, but luck will you become lazy. And so a good astrologer is to put in a good consultation as a consulting, astrology, climate consulting, astrologer, I'm supposed to point those things out to people and show them like these are where you're, this is where you will have more success.
Joseph Addeo (00:40:11): If you push yourself a little bit, you know, you know, there's lots of different fields of astrology, this little research astrologer who will explain why certain things happen to certain aspects of history. And they're, they're doing lots of research analysis, right? I'm not geared that way. That's sort of like the geek or the nerd or somebody who doesn't like to socialize with anybody and spends 24 hours a day, seven days a week doing research. And then they come up with why things happen. That's a whole nother school of astrology. That's really beautiful. But this consultant astrologer is to unleash as opposed to look at a chart and help unleash the person's potential and for growth and where things are going. And, you know and I think from a little boy, that's what I really, you know, you, you realized yes, I'm a cisgendered man.
Joseph Addeo (00:40:58): I'm very proud. I've astrology is very good at explaining this kind of stuff. I'm very proud to be a cisgendered man. I like my masculinity. I liked my swagger. I like going out there, but underneath, underneath, I'm a very feminine kind of yin type of guy. And I think I love that dichotomy that I present. I love that dichotomy, that split point of view of being sort of like the daddy figure, but I'm really much more, I don't like using the word feminine, cause that's such a bad, but yin yin energy, and this doesn't have the old connotations of masculine and feminine, but I'm very yin on the inside. I'm very more, more that kind of thing, which is why I think I understood my mother so well.
Ricky McEachern (00:41:46): Right. So do you think, how do you think your personality type would have worked out in the fifties? In the, in the U S
Joseph Addeo (00:41:55): That's a great question. Listen, I was very conditioned at an early age to tuck it in. They say, you know, you don't think suppression for gay men. When I came out as a gay man, I came out right away. It was very easy, but because I wanted to be, I was very lucky. It was very easy. I came out in the late seventies and all my young friends say, Oh my God, what's it. It's so hard. I go, no, I went to a very progressive school. My parents dealt with it fairly well for being Republican. Anyway, to answer your question, how would apply dealt with it in the fifties? Would you have been received would have been received fine because I would have done the rock Hudson thing. I would've done the things that rock Hudson did, all those gay men who made sure that they acted in a hyper masculine way and could tuck it in.
Joseph Addeo (00:42:49): There was a, you know, in the theater world, there was an expression, tuck it in. You don't want to be on stage and have anybody read you as gay because not because they would, the reasoning was at least the way I interpreted it. Wasn't because you were ashamed of being gay. I was never ashamed, but because, and rightfully so rightfully so, 95% of the literature is geared towards straight people and the man is supposed to be able to make love to the woman. And so when you're, when you're on stage, you want the audience to believe that you're the, you, you're making love to that woman. And that woman is falling in love with you. And there's, there's a certain, I, I know a lot of people that really disagree with me and on a six year old man, so I'm coming from a, maybe an, a little arcade way here, but I always bought into that where I didn't like when people could guess my sexuality, now I could camp it up just as good as anybody else.
Joseph Addeo (00:43:44): And I don't care about that, but when I'm on stage, I want the men and the women in the audience to believe what I'm playing. So in the fifties, I, there would have been the extra thing of being ostracized for being gay, losing your career for being gay. So what I would have done is what I did in the theater world is just go to the gym, work on up that hyper masculine thing, making sure my speaking voice was a certain tonality so that I would fit in and not get caught. I would have played that game. I'm sure that's what I'm talking about to scare me. And I wouldn't have gotten married though, because I'm so gay in my, I don't think you're talking about who Joe Dayo is from who I am today. I would have not gotten married because I couldn't have done that, but I would have played the game
Joseph Addeo (00:44:33): And I just met women and dated them, but not gotten married. So speaking of rock Hudson, and you know, the, you know, being closeted do you think that, I think a lot of people look at that as, Oh, that must've been awful being closeted. I don't necessarily think so. Like, I don't think so either. I don't think so. I think that he was, I don't know anything about him, but I don't necessarily think that that was awful. I think that people's people use the modern sensibility. Right. I hate when people say, Oh, what a tragic life rock cause a tragedy trap. I go, no, no, I'm sure if you spoke to rock cuts into the forties, fifties, and he, he was very happy and yes, he had a juice, certain things that's from our modern sensibility, my God. But you know, I think he did what he had to do to be successful.
Joseph Addeo (00:45:29): Yeah. I agree with you. I agree with you. I'm sure there were sad moments I'm sure. Yes. Could, would it have been nice if he could have had it, but he I'm sure he, if we had brought rock Hudson back to life, I think he would laugh at what people, how people talk about. I think you're probably right. I think he probably had a great life. Like I think that he had he probably had a lot of attention from people that really, you know, cause he was the only gay actor. You know, even though he was closeted, so he probably had the sad lives in those time periods, gay men who came from poor families in the Midwest or anywhere who had no options. Right. We had no options. Right. I had a lot of options. I agree. I, you know, I can't feel sorry for a man of his stature in that respect.
Joseph Addeo (00:46:19): And I don't think he feels, but if you're a guy, you know, and who lived in Cheyenne, Wyoming in the fifties and had no role models and you came from a family and you didn't know where those are, the people that I would, my heart goes out to my, yeah. I agree with you. I recently went to this place called Allerton park, which is it's like a state and it has, it's just this place out by champagne, Illinois. And it was developed by this obviously a gay man. And I think he was born in the twenties or something, but he came from tons of money. So he maintained this estate and he lived his life with his, I think it was his secretary or something. And I, when I read this and they had their home in Hawaii and they were like the first gay couple and there was something about that story.
Ricky McEachern (00:47:09): I was envious of it because there's something about everything being out and everything is gay and it's just overwhelming and too much. It sounded like a really nice, simple life where they weren't being bombarded with all of this opinions and everyone talking about, you know, the different, it's the same thing with P town years ago. Listen, I think gay rights and transgender rights and queer rights and I think is beautiful. I think this is the way society should be going. So I think everything that's happening is fabulous. But the reason places like P-town were so popular because years ago the gay community, the queer community had to go far away to escape places where nobody else wanted to go. So when you went to the edge of Massachusetts, the clubs you went to in New York were basements. They were dark and dingy. They were on the West side highway where the rats lived, where nobody else wanted to go. So you had these secret places that were secret. And when you went there, everybody welcomed you and loved you. And it was like a private club. And you felt like this incredible love from the community. Well, because everything has become much more equalized. Now everybody knows about everything and every, you know, so you don't have that feeling of being part of a special group of people.
Joseph Addeo (00:48:37): And I know it's a, it's a pullout it's it's an oxymoron. What's the word I'm looking for? It's a conundrum. It's like, well, it's good. And if it's mostly good, but then we've also lost something too, because now my grandmother knows about what went on in clubs like the mind shit. I mean, I'm like, I don't really like some things I just want to be part of. I totally agree with you. When I came out, it was the summer of 1990 and this was probably the, you know, the end of all this, it was like a secret society in 1999. Like it was, I felt special like, Oh my God, I got the key to this amazing world where the music was different. That was clubs that nobody knew about. It was people were talking about topics that people just spoke in different ways.
Joseph Addeo (00:49:27): And it's, I feel like not that I really go out or anything, but I feel like things are much more mainstream. I recently watched this movie called the queen, which was like a, a RuPaul I a, a drag contest from 1967. Are you familiar with this movie? No, I don't. So you gotta watch check it out, but it's a documentary and it was a a I don't even know if they were, I guess it was drag Queens was the term they used. And it was they, they, someone recorded the whole thing. It happened in New York city in 1967 and it was all gay men talking you know, planning and the dialogue. And it was very interesting because it reminded me the nature of the dialogue was it reminded me of when I first came out because people gay people. It's hard to explain, like, what people talked about was different because now it's just, everything is homogenized. Everything is modular. When I came out, I was lucky. I was in the theater world and I was taken under the wing of older
Joseph Addeo (00:50:28): Gay men. You know, there was this thing about older gay men taking younger gay men under their wing and ushering them in and nurturing them. And yes, yes. Some of it was sexual obviously, but it wasn't really about the older gay men just wanting to sleep with the young guys and tossed them off. It wasn't really that it was more like, no, we want to, you know, we, we know that it's difficult to come out and you could have a wonderful life being gay. And we're going to show you what a wonderful people are in the community and how creative the community is and how many smart, intelligent men there are. And yes, it's a very sexual community, but we're sexual creatures. So, so it's that whole thing of passing it and it still exists, but not to the same degree because of the way it's also equalized.
Joseph Addeo (00:51:16): Right. And that's what I loved about those days. I have, I had the greatest men bring me out into the world. I was just so fortunate. I was so fortunate, so lucky and that I really missed. That was beautiful. Nice. Well, I have one last question for you. So I guess we did, we continued our conversation. We were planning on reschedule. What happened? I'm sorry. No, it's okay. We were planning on rescheduling. This, I'm not sure if I'm going to edit that out or what, but if I edited out a Jack hammer started outside of my window, that was noisy and physically vibrating my dining room table where I'm recording this. So we were going to reschedule it. It went away. We continued. I do have one last question for you. So is there anyone that you wish you could do a astrological reading?
Joseph Addeo (00:52:10): Is there like a fantasy person dead or alive that you would love to have that sort of interaction with? Oh I really never thought about that. Because all the people that I wanted to do, I do anyway, like it's, I don't even really need to talk to them. I just analyze their charts. But if I were to, I really don't. I mean, you know, you wanna say maybe junk, but I I've analyzed your profit share so much. I almost for famous people to be quite honest with famous people or people in the public eye, I actually prefer to study them in private without asking them too many questions cause they live. So I, that wouldn't, I enjoy actually an anonymous. I enjoy the average daily person, much more with famous people. I like studying them and writing articles on them.
Joseph Addeo (00:53:14): Famous people are wonderful to study as with astrology. As long as you have a time, the first time without a birth time, you really can't do anything in any kind of detail. Well, famous people are great for is because they live such a public lodge. You have timelines of events and pick famous people live such extraordinary kinds of lives and very active lives. And a lot of things happen. So there are the great kinds of parts to study and teach with because they help the astrologer with their predictive technique or when things happen because of the way planetary alignments happen. So but not in terms of interviewing them one, wait, one just popped into my mind, you know, who I would like to Meryl Streep Meryl Streep. I would love to read for marrow street. Okay. I would love to read from marrow street because I know her charts so well, and I think she'd be fun.
Joseph Addeo (00:54:10): I think this should be fun. Meryl Streep. That's the answer and she's still alive and she has a time birth chart. And I know her very well. Yes, that's the good answer. But I do prefer reading for the everyday lay person. First of all, it's harder. What's more difficult. It tests you much more. It tests your metal because they don't leave for generally. They don't lead as active a kind of life. And so you have to be much more subtle with the interpretation. You know it's very hard to read for a person. Sometimes when you see a signature in the chart and by signature, you see a pattern and you do see this insurance. That's why you have to be very, you have to be very sensitive in how you read for people.
Joseph Addeo (00:55:01): I have this. So I don't mind talking about it. A difficult relationship chart. There are, there are things I don't want to go into it here. It's just going to be boring to people, but there are certain things you see in a chart. You go, this person has a difficult relationship chart. Part of the reason they're they come into this life, whatever you believe about life from me, coordination. Part of the reason they've come into this life is to deal with lessons of love. They're going to need to have lots of relationships that don't work out because they're going to have to learn certain things and why. And then the client's like, why do I have to do this? Well, that's the mystery. I don't really have an and, but the more they worked on it, the more they grow, the more they learn lessons, the more they become more new.
Joseph Addeo (00:55:47): So certain people have rough. So certain people have very challenging job charts. They can never call the job and you sword and you often do see this and you do see this, but then certain types of personalities we'll work through things a little differently. And it's my job to kind of point. Especially if a client comes back to me often, they come back to me twice a year and they've been coming to me for 10 years. It's my duty point out certain thing, you know, I might not say certain things in a first reading because I, you have to know how you're reading for a person. You have to know if the person you're reading for is a very sensitive type or if they can take it, if they can take a more direct type of approach. That's why my acting background. And now we're finally getting to kind of the stuff that I thought I was going to talk about.
Joseph Addeo (00:56:40): My acting background helps with this. If you see somebody who has a proponent, a lot of sensitive type of energy, like a lot of water in the chart, or you can't, you can't just say to them, certain things, right to their face, they're going to receive the energy and feel assaulted. They want to get them to trust you. So you have to know who you're speaking to and how to speak. It's not about lying. It's not about lying. It's about knowing how to deliver the message so that they're gonna hear it the way they need to hear it. You know, if I'm speaking to have somebody with a lot of fire or there are areas I'm going to say, you know, you're really bossy and you hurt people's feelings a lot. You really have to know that something about you. And generally the person will probably laugh and go.
Joseph Addeo (00:57:25): Yeah, I know, but you can't say that to somebody else. Who's gonna, you know, internalize it a little too much. Right. You know, you're speaking to, you have to know you're speaking to, so it all relates the acting and the astrology being an actor being on stage, because you have to, I mean, when you're talking about certain planets, you have to act out. I like to act out the planet. I like that because people then see the visual and they go, yes, they, they get it, the visual along with the verbal, if it's and that's where my acting printing comes in very well. So I want to, I have a question about being an opera singer. So I've heard you saying you have performed a couple of times in Provincetown, I think once was at the, at the red lobster. No. What not red lobster pot.
Joseph Addeo (00:58:16): Yes. Yes. I used to just get up and sing at the lobster pot, not the red lobster, the lobster pot. But anyhow, I do have a question about that. It always, well, I'm curious to see how that relates to the performance aspect of being an astrologer, but also it just seems like being able to sing like that must feel really good. What does that feel when you're singing? When you're singing and it's working on all cylinders, it's like, and especially opera. Cause I used to sing opera a lot. And you'd go for certain high notes that were the climax of the phrase. Well, it was like having a climax. It was like having an orgasm. It was like the next best thing to orgasm and sex. It was like, Oh my God you'd feel this because your body was kind of shaking and resonating.
Joseph Addeo (00:59:16): And then when you go for certain types of notes, it's like explosive and it this way and explodes down through the root chakra and you felt like having an orgasm. And it just felt like the next best thing. So when it was working like that, but you had to do a lot of preparation for that and a lot of work. And when it didn't work, you would be depressed. But singing was beautiful. Singing is beautiful. It's fabulous. But there's a lot of stage fright that comes with all that too, which I found very nerve wracking as well. But that's why to be good at anything you do. Whether it's opera, singing, rock and roll, singing and astrology, you have to do your homework. You have to practice
Ricky McEachern (00:59:57): The opera. Singing relate to astrology
Joseph Addeo (01:00:01): The discipline, but discipline of getting up and doing your scales every day and reading. So you do your scales every day. You look at where the planets are every day. What aspects of the plants vacant today? Well, you have to know where the plans are constantly moving and an opera singer. You have to wake up and you have to know where your voice is sitting. You have to do your scales. You have to make sure your, your, you know, your, your, this is functioning, right? You have to be every day daily, living the everyday daily, living of living your art and living your life. If you're an accountant every day, you wake up and you go to the office and you crunch numbers. If you're an astrologer every day, you wake up and you have to read something about these straws. You have to know where the planets are moving.
Joseph Addeo (01:00:42): You have to know what aspects for me. If you're an opera singer every day, you have to wake up, it has to be part of your daily grind. It has to be part of the daily motion. You have to do your scales. You have to take care of your voice. It's it's that routine, the beat to be in any kind of creative field or any field, you have to do the mundane everyday shit in order to open up the creativity, because it has, you have to have skills. You have to have techniques. So I would correlate all that to from opera singing, to acting, to astrology, to anything you do. You know, in my father's a bake, my father was a Baker. Every single day, you went to that bakery and he mixed the bread and he mixed the dough. And then the creative part came out of producing the bread. But you had to put the flower and you had to put the water. You had to put the yeast, you had to put everything in that machine. You had to have the bakers, do everything. That's the creative part was then when it came out and you made it right, but you had to put it off. You had to do all that, have all the techniques and the ingredients. Does that answer your question? I never, I lose the form of the thread of the conversation
Ricky McEachern (01:01:46): Was that was an excellent answer. I'm very, that was excellent.
Joseph Addeo (01:01:51): But that's, you know you know, there's a great deal of fear in life. You know, astrology is ruled by the planet. Saturn has a lot to do with astrology because Saturn is about fear and you're on the you're on the planet for 80 years, 90 years. And time is always ticking. And how are you going to get through the world and produce? And when you face your fears, they become your talents. If you overcome your fears, become very, they, they become part of you. And then you can create a, if you don't face your fears, they become your limitations. So every single day of our life, we're facing our fears. And I remember as an opera singer, I used to throw up every time I had this thing, it was so fearful to get onstage and to have to be judged by that audience.
Joseph Addeo (01:02:39): And what if I didn't hit the, but if you don't face your fears, they do become your limitations and you don't grow and you don't achieve, and you don't take on responsibility and you don't, you're not productive and you don't contribute to society. And you know, and you know, that's, I remember that being the scary part about singing, especially it was being on the stage and, and, and on every song, every single time I get together with a client, every, even before I did this interview, I'm wired this way. I'm not saying every, but everybody has this. To some extent, some people worse than others. I'm nervous. I feel what's written. I want to talk about, should I write, should I write notes? Should I take notes? He said, to keep it casual. I'm good. And, and you know, every time a client comes, I've done my homework.
Joseph Addeo (01:03:32): I've, I've studied their chart for an hour. I've done all my techniques, but I go, what am I going to talk about when this person come? Because there's a mystery involved with you, do your technique, but what are they going to think? I'm a charlatan. Are they gonna, are they gonna listen to what I have to say? What do I have? And I'm, I'm always nervous before every reading. And I think I'll always nervous. Always there is. I have to run to the bathroom. I even all, after all these years as a performer, I was like that. And I, and I realize if you're not a little nervous every time, if you're not, you're not going to do a good job. You have to be a little, you can't be crippled. You can't be to the point of being crippled because you have to let the creative process take over, right?
Joseph Addeo (01:04:15): Once you do the left part of your brain and you do your homework and the analyzing and all that stuff, well, then you got to get on stage and perform, or you got to get in front of the client and give them the information. And that's where the creative process, that's where the right brain starts to take over the left brain does its job. And then the right brain has to take over. But there's going to be a little fear around that because, you know, I was watching an interview with an actor, Robert Ryan, one of these great old Hollywood actors, and he was doing the Iceman cometh. And Jeff Bridges was in the cast. And Robert Ryan was about 70 and he was about to die a year later. And Jeff Bridges was at the beginning of his career. And Robert Ryan got on set and they were about to film a scene and he was shaking and wrote, Jeff Bridges says, are you nervous? And Robert Ryan said, yeah. And I'm always nervous before take first take. And if I wasn't, I'd be in a lot of trouble. Right.
Speaker 5 (01:05:10): I think that there's, I think that there's a I hear a lot of people are talk about, you know, trying to Ricky McEachern (01:05:18): Eliminate nervousness and anxiety and fear and all of these things. I don't think you need to, I think you have to let it wash over you. Right. I think that it's, it's not like successful people don't feel fear are, aren't afraid. It's sort of, it's part of being a human. And you know, I know that one thing, you know, not to like bring it back to me, but I know that I do meditation. And one of the things that I do specifically around meditation is it's not that I'm trying to feel better necessarily, but what I'm trying to do is remove myself from all of these feelings so that I'm watching them not trying to control them or prevent them from happening. Because I think a level of fear and nervousness I'm nervous before we started this conversation. That's a good thing. I don't want it to consume me, but you know, with meditation, I'm trying to feel all these things good and bad.
Joseph Addeo (01:06:11): But I'm sort of trying to look at them like I'm watching a drive in movie and kind of see them and not let them consume me. But I think that all of those things that you mentioned that could be considered negative are just really part of being a healthy human right. We can wrap up. So this is recording. Like normally my, my zoom meeting ends after 40 minutes. So I hope that this worked because it didn't end, if it doesn't, we can do it again. You've made my day. I've got my start off in a really good spot. Thank you very much. You're very welcome to do more stuff like this because I don't even take my own advice. Sometimes I'll take my own advice a lot. And this was a very creative process and it made my creative juices start flowing for the day.
Ricky McEachern (01:06:53): So I appreciate it. Thank you very much. You're very welcome. So where can people learn more about what you offer from an astrology standpoint? My website Joseph A. Day out.com, J O S E P H a D D E o.com. My website. They have a lot of articles there. My classes are posted there where I'm lecturing would be posted there. And so that's the easiest way to find me also on Facebook, but I have two Facebook pages go to my professional page, which is Joseph Dale astrologer on that Joseph A. Day was drawn draws your Facebook page. I blog a lot, a lot about the daily astrology and stuff like that. So you can, you can see, I love to write, but you can learn about, you can see my writing technique and how I write. And you know, if you enjoy that, you'll, you'll get an glimpse into the way my mind works. Great. This was awesome. And you have a, have a wonderful vacation. My name is Ricky McLaughlin, and you have been listening to eager to know the podcast. If you haven't already, please go to Apple podcasts and subscribe rate, and review this podcast. Join me next week for another eager to know podcast.